2018 r/NFL Top 100 Players (of the 2017 Season) - Week 3 Follow Up

Posted on: May 24, 2018   |   Posted by: German NFL Blog Refs4Pats.com

Hello everyone, and welcome to the Week 2 Follow Up to the r/NFL Top 100! A quick reminder from last week, in an effort to concentrate conversations on rankings away from conversations on the ephemeral, we are now only posting rankings on Mondays and these Follow Up posts on Thursdays. For a schedule of posts, you can head over to the Methodology and Hub Post. You can follow links to see past weeks lists and follow ups. With that out of the way, here we go! PART 1 - LINKS Positional Rank Matrix Top 100 - 81-71 This Weeks Player Cards User Poll - 80-71 (Results to come next week!) PART 2 - RANKER’S CORNER Today we’ve got a bit from user u/TDeath21 . He is another one of our 1st year rankers. The call to rankers went out. I accepted. I was selected. Now here I am in my rookie season as a ranker. It has been an amazing process. One in which I have stayed active during the off-season with regards to the NFL, something I don’t normally do. Along the way, I’ve learned a ton about lesser known players from teams I don’t see often and really had my eyes opened as to how amazing some players were while researching advanced statistics on them to compile my position lists and, ultimately, my final list. Enough about the intro. What went into my rankings? What did I value? What did I devalue? Let’s find out shall we. First, in order to have a chance at being in my top 100, you had to play a minimum of >3/4 the season. In simple terms, you needed to play in 13 games. I was more strict on this than most, if not all, of my fellow rankers were. An exception was made if you dropped to 12 games or below if you sat out week 17 to rest for the playoffs or if you still were extremely efficient and still put up major volume numbers. For instance, if a running back was the rushing champion playing in only 12 games, he’d have been on my list. Same goes if there were a defensive player leading the league in sacks playing in only 11 games. You get the idea. Furthermore, I did penalize slightly for each game missed, with once again an exception made for resting for the playoffs. Longevity matters, and in my opinion, to be the best of 2017, you have to be on the field in 2017. Related to the first criteria, the snap count of each player had to be relatively high. When world class athletes go head to head, it’s much easier to remain efficient and in some cases even easier to rack up volume numbers when you are taking frequent breaks while your unit is on the field. I placed players who weren’t quite as efficient and had extremely high snap counts over guys with amazing efficiency and lower snap counts. I understand that a lot of times teams with a deep talent pool at a particular position group will rotate in and out often, thereby helping the team more and dropping the individual’s snap count. While it might be unfair, I still had to ding them a bit for missed snaps, regardless of the reason. Having the luxury to remain fresh while a guy on another team is out there grinding it out is a massive advantage. If you had a lower snap count, I would ding you a bit, but if you were still extremely efficient and put up great volume stats, you made the list. As I said before, longevity matters, and I rewarded it. To repeat myself, to be the best of 2017, you have to be on the field in 2017. Thirdly, and controversially, I disregarded the postseason entirely. Nothing anyone did in the postseason factored in at all. This will obviously cause some players to be higher or lower than a lot of other people’s lists. In my opinion, it has to be an even field for everyone, regardless of their position importance or how good their team collectively was. How is it fair for me to judge a great playoff run by one LB and use it when comparing him to another LB whose team missed the playoffs? Therefore, the 16 game regular season in 2017 is what my player rankings are based on. Nothing more, nothing less. When I compared each position group and eventually made my final list, I first ensured they met my first two criteria listed above. I then looked at the basic stats to see where they might rank. Then I dove deep into the advanced statistics that we had access to and shifted my guys around from there. I ranked them all and posted them for my fellow rankers to see (more on that in a bit). After ranking all the eligible players within each position group, I finalized my list. I would cross off each person as they were placed on the final 100 list and then compared them to the next person up in each position with each other. Lastly, as we posted our individual positional rankings (required) and our final rankings (not required), we had the opportunity to debate each other’s rankings and “fight for our guys” so to speak. The debates we had here were overwhelmingly civil, and yes, my rankings are different with their insight included than they would otherwise be. Unfortunately, none of us had the time to do extensive film study on each player that was nominated (I know, we are lazy and have a life to live). Therefore, we often had to trust the basic stat sheet, the deep analytics, and our fellow rankers evaluation of players they knew much better than everyone else. There are things even the advanced statistics that dive deep don’t show, and my fellow rankers were able to provide information that I otherwise would have never known. They fought for their guys. I trusted them. They convinced me on some and on others I held my ground. I hope I did the same for them as far as offering the insight stat sheets don’t show. Overall, this was a great process, and I know I speak for everyone when I say that no player was disrespected due to the team he played for. It is possible, however, that your ranker from your team didn’t participate in any discussion in order to provide that valuable insight only hardcore fans of that team may know that could sway our opinions. To that I say keep an eye out for next season and maybe you can be that guy that fights for your guys and shifts him up a few ranking positions. Cheers, TD! GO BRONCOS PART 3 - POLL RESULTS Where did you expect [PLAYER] to be ranked after this season? PLAYER UNRANKED 100-91 90-81 80-71 70-61 60-51 50-41 40-31 30-21 20-11 10-1 #90 - Jimmy Smith, Baltimore 35.0% 17.5% 22.5% 10.0% 5.0% 2.5% 2.5% --- 5.0% --- --- #89 - Delanie Walker, Tennessee 22.5% 25.0% 22.5% 10.0% 7.5% 2.5% 5.0% 2.5% 2.5% --- --- #88 - A.J. Green, Cincinnati 5.0% 7.5% 2.5% 15.0% 30.0% 17.5% 12.5% 2.5% 5.0% 2.5% --- #87 - Terrell Suggs, Baltimore 15.0% 17.5% 10.0% 32.5% 10.0% 7.5% 2.5% --- 2.5% 2.5% --- #86 - Adrian Amos, Chicago 25.0% 17.5% 27.5% 12.5% 7.5% 5.0% --- 2.5% 2.5% --- --- #85 - Micah Hyde, Buffalo 30.0% 10.0% 22.5% 15.0% 7.5% 5.0% 10.0% --- --- --- --- #T-83 - Tyreek Hill, Kansas City 12.5% 5.0% 12.5% 15.0% 15.0% 20.0% 10.0% 5.0% 2.5% 2.5% --- #T-83 - Linval Joseph, Minnesota 7.5% 17.5% 15.0% 27.5% 7.5% 10.0% 10.0% --- 2.5% --- 2.5% #82 - Rodney Hudson, Oakland 15.0% 25.0% 22.5% 17.5% 5.0% --- 7.5% 5.0% 2.5% --- --- #81 - Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay 7.5% 12.5% 17.5% 22.5% 12.5% 20.0% 5.0% 2.5% --- --- --- PLAYER UNRANKED 100-91 90-81 80-71 70-61 60-51 50-41 40-31 30-21 20-11 10-1 #90 - Jimmy Smith, Baltimore 25.0% 12.5% 20.0% 20.0% 15.0% 2.5% --- 2.5% --- 2.5% --- #89 - Delanie Walker, Tennessee 35.0% 22.5% 7.5% 17.5% 7.5% 7.5% 2.5% --- --- --- --- #88 - A.J. Green, Cincinnati --- 2.5% 7.5% 10.0% 7.5% 15.0% 20.0% 20.0% 12.5% 5.0% --- #87 - Terrell Suggs, Baltimore 52.5% 7.5% 15.0% 10.0% 5.0% 2.5% 5.0% --- --- --- 2.5% #86 - Adrian Amos, Chicago 12.5% 17.5% 17.5% 17.5% 10.0% 5.0% 7.5% 5.0% 5.0% 2.5% --- #85 - Micah Hyde, Buffalo 22.5% 10.0% 20.0% 17.5% 22.5% 2.5% 2.5% --- 2.5% --- --- #T-83 - Tyreek Hill, Kansas City 10.0% 10.0% 12.5% 10.0% 20.0% 12.5% 12.5% 2.5% 7.5% --- 2.5% #T-83 - Linval Joseph, Minnesota 10.0% 12.5% 25.0% 7.5% 15.0% 12.5% 2.5% 10.0% 2.5% --- 2.5% #82 - Rodney Hudson, Oakland 27.5% 20.0% 15.0% 10.0% 10.0% 7.5% 2.5% 2.5% 5.0% --- --- #81 - Gerald McCoy, Tampa Bay 10.0% 10.0% 7.5% 17.5% 12.5% 20.0% 10.0% 7.5% 5.0% --- --- (I did not add the “most over-rated/under-rated” questions to this poll on accident. /u/yji has his big goof for the year now.) PART 4 - THE SPECIALISTS After rankings had been completed I asked rankers to rank kickers and punters from a list if they wanted to. Those who did ranked 10 out of the top 20 kickers (based on total points in 2017) and 10 out of the top 20 punters (based on gross average per punt). Yes, I am aware that this knocked [insert your K/P here] out of the list and it is an abomination because they [did this totally amazing thing or had this great stat] in 2017. Please understand that this list has no bearing on anything, anywhere, and getting frustrated over it will really just end up giving you heart palpitations in the long run, and no one needs that. KICKER #8 - Harrison Butker, Kansas City Chiefs GAMES FGA FGM LONG FG XPA XPM POINTS 13 42 38 53yds 28 28 142 This rookie kicker right here was the best damn kicker in the AFC West last year. And I hate him, and everyone else for making me say that because he plays for the Chiefs. That’s just like the second most disgusting thing to do in the NFL. Anyway, this little guy… Wait… 6’4”, 205lbs? Okay, why is this kid Butker a kicker? Do his hands just really suck? Is he slow as hell? WAIT, sorry… I’m going off topic. Harrison Butker, as a rookie, owned the 3yd by 3yd patch of grass he kicked off of like he was a millenial buying their first house on a ⅙ acre plot in the middle of a gentrifying block in the Bay Area. 38 FG’s made in 13 games, and one hell of a streak hitting 23 in a row at one point. And that’s all we have for him. Not making a joke about his name… Not doing it. I’m a bigger man than that… *heh, butker* PUNTER #8 - Matt Bosher, Atlanta Falcons GAMES PUNTS YARDS GROSS AVG NET AVG BLOCKED LONG 16 53 2379 44.9 40.8 0 62yds …….. I am beginning to regret making the decision to write blurbs about punters. Three weeks in a row and I’ve got nothing. Just nothing. Matt Bosher has been punting in Atlanta since 2011. That is the only thing I can find that is remotely useful. How about this? Falcons fans! Tell me why Matt Bosher is the #8 punter for us this year, will you? Dear lord get me someone on this list who is exciting? When does Marquette King ot Johnny Hekker show up? PART 5 - “WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT…?” Please remember if you would like to participate in discussing this question, please give more than a simple one or two sentence statement. Give your answer some thought and depth, and interact with others who are discussing the question as well. PLAYERS 80-71 Ben Roethlisberger is the second of nine quarterbacks on this list, coming in at #80 overall, but today’s question isn’t specifically about him, it’s about the position itself. The NFL quarterback position is arguably the single most important positions on the football field. Knowing that, is it reasonable to you that a list of the 100 best players of the season only include nine of them? If not, how many quarterbacks do you expect to see on a list of 100 players? Why so many/so few? That’s all for this week everyone, come back on Monday for the next batch of players that include three interior defensive linemen, our third quarterback… and our first running back of the season. Cheers! submitted by /u/Mister_Jay_Peg [visit reddit] [comments]

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